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CONFLICTED

Conflicted Revisited: Ethiopia’s Overlooked Conflict

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

History, Religion & Spirituality

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

This week on Conflicted, we’re unlocking another episode we first released for members of the Conflicted Community.   In this interview from last January, I talk with Martin Plaut, a distinguished journalist who has reported on conflicts across Africa for decades, and whose book Understanding Ethiopia’s Tigray War was an essential resource for us in preparing our series on Ethiopia. We discuss: Ethiopia’s recent Tigray War and why it proved so consequential for the Horn of Africa How the federal government — with Eritrean support — turned against the Tigray region despite its long rule in Ethiopia Martin’s personal story of growing up in apartheid South Africa and his early political activism His current work on the history of African slavery and common misconceptions surrounding it Speaking of slavery in Africa, Martin’s latest book Unbroken Chains: A 5,000-Year History of African Enslavement has recently been published. I hope to get Martin back onto the podcast to talk all about it! Join the Conflicted Community here: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/  Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, dear listeners. Today we're unlocking another episode we first released back in January for members of the conflicted community,

0:10.4

my conversation with the distinguished journalist Martin Plout, a man who has reported on conflicts across Africa for decades and whose book, Understanding Ethiopia's Tigray War,

0:23.5

was an essential resource for us in preparing our series on Ethiopia.

0:28.9

When Martin and I spoke, the guns in northern Ethiopia had largely fallen silent.

0:34.6

The sense then, or the hope at least, was that the Pretoria agreement

0:39.8

of late 2022 had ushered in a fragile but real pause after two years of horrific war in Tigray.

0:48.5

But in recent weeks, the situation has taken a darker turn. Reports from the ground indicate that Tigrayan forces

0:56.1

have pushed into parts of the neighboring afar region, seizing several villages and clashing

1:01.9

with local authorities. There are also renewed accusations that the Ethiopian federal

1:07.9

government has carried out drone strikes in Tigray, prompting fresh fears

1:12.9

that the conflict may be sliding back into open hostilities.

1:17.4

The humanitarian situation already dire is once again deteriorating.

1:23.0

In short, Ethiopia is not at peace.

1:26.4

It is in a holding pattern, one increasingly strained by events on the ground.

1:32.0

Listening now, Martin's analysis feels even more essential. He helps us understand the roots of the T-Gray War.

1:40.0

He also takes us through the regional dynamics that remain so crucial, the fraught relationship

1:44.9

with Eritrea, the shifting alliances in the Horn of Africa, and Ethiopia's deep internal

1:51.3

fractures, which today still threaten to pull the country apart. So as you listen, keep in mind

1:57.9

that this episode was recorded before the most recent flare-ups,

2:02.0

but it will still give you the historical and political foundations you need to understand

2:08.0

why Ethiopia remains so fragile and why the Tigray War continues to cast a long,

2:14.7

uneasy shadow over the region. Before we begin, a brief note, Martin's newest book, Unbroken Chains,

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