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CONFLICTED

Conflicted Community: Tom Tugendhat – The Dangers of Islamism and the Future of the Middle East

CONFLICTED

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Religion & Spirituality, History

4.71.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 January 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

To bring in the new year, we have a special Conflicted Community episode this week– an interview with none other than Tom Tugendhat, a Conservative British MP and ex Minister of State for Security.  Tom is a veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a veteran of both Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak’s Conservative cabinets. He remains a big figure in the party, having run unsuccessfully for party leader in 2024, and is one of the most outspoken of all British MPs when it comes to the UK's security policy. But most importantly, Tom is a long time dearest listener, friend of Aimen’s and fan of the show, so we invited him on to discuss himself, his time in government and his thoughts on the current crises engulfing the Middle East.  In this episode Thomas, Aimen and Tom discuss Tom’s background, including some of his formative years spent in the Middle East, as well as his thoughts on the scourge of Islamism in the region and the West, before looking at how effective security policy can be enacted by the West as a new world order takes shape. New Conflicted episodes will be coming every two weeks, but if you want to have your Conflicted fix every single week, then you’ll have to join our Conflicted Community. Subscribers will get bonus episodes every other week, and can also join our Conflicted Community chatroom, where you can interact with fellow dearest listeners, discuss episodes past and future, get exclusive messages from Thomas and Aimen, ask future Q&A questions and so much more. All the information you need to sign up to the Conflicted Community is on this link: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/  Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hello, dearest listeners, Thomas Small and Aymond Dean here with you for another interview

1:01.5

for our conflicted community.

1:04.3

Amon, you've been zooming around European capitals the past few weeks since the fall of

1:09.3

Asad.

1:10.3

How are you, man? What is the feeling

1:12.8

out there in the security world since acid's fall? A sense of both relief, but also cautious

1:20.3

optimism. I met a senior narcotic, sorry, a senior counter-narcotics official somewhere in

1:27.4

Europe.

1:28.3

And I think he was more relieved than anyone else because of course of the involvement of

1:36.0

the acid regime in narcotics production and trafficking.

1:40.1

But when you talk to counter-terrorism people, they are less optimistic.

1:44.5

So let's see.

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