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Conflicted Community: Jack Margolin Interview – How did the Wagner Group end up in Africa?

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Religion & Spirituality, History

4.71.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2024

⏱️ 21 minutes

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On this week’s Conflicted Community episode, we invite the researcher and author Jack Margolin onto the show, to talk about his recently published book, The Wagner Group: Inside Russia’s Mercenary Army. Jack is an independent researcher and expert on modern mercenaries, focussing on conflict finance, guns and crime in data, who previously worked with the The Center for Advanced Defense Studies. Continuing our Africa focus this season, Jack and Thomas discuss how Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of this Private Military Company, went from creating troll farms in St. Petersburg to sending troops to Syria and then Africa, with malign interests every step of the way. Jack explains how the ‘adhocracy’ Wagner operate in the region sees them exploit local resources for monetary gain, while also bolstering Russian interests in the region by doing the jobs that nation states and more cautious mercenary groups were not able to do. But after Prigozhin’s downfall last year, are the Wagner Group still around? And will they continue to offer despotic African governments something the West cannot? To listen to the full episode, you’ll need to subscribe to the Conflicted Community. And don’t forget, subscribers can also join our Conflicted Community chatroom, where you can interact with fellow dearest listeners, discuss episodes past and future, get exclusive messages from Thomas and Aimen, ask future Q&A questions and so much more. All the information you need to sign up is on this link: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/  Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back dearest listeners to another episode for our conflicted community. Thomas Small here with you for an interview that I'm really excited about as we continue our survey of Africa

1:04.3

and the geopolitical players vying for supremacy across the region because one of

1:09.3

those players in the new scramble for Africa is not in fact a state military. It is a private

1:15.6

military contractor who you've probably heard of that goes by the name of

1:20.4

the Wagner Group.

1:22.8

So to shed a bit more light on the group themselves, we have a special guest here with

1:28.1

us whose new book covers their rise, their fall, and their many and varied escapades across Ukraine, Syria, and all over

1:38.1

the Sahel region of Africa.

1:40.9

The book is fantastic. It is called The Wagner Group inside Russia's mercenary army and I am extremely

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