Conflict journalist James Pogue

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring

Zack Williams

Outdoors, Wilderness, Sports, Fishing, Outdoor, Hunting, Sports & Recreation

4.6 • 853 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2020

⏱️ 138 minutes

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Summary

James Pogue spent two years as an embedded journalist with the American militia movement. He was at the 2016 occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge with Ammon and Ryan Bundy, an experience that he recounts in his 2018 book, Chosen Country. During his time with the Bundys and other militia, he became deeply immersed in the debates over the public lands of the American West. James is an international conflict journalist and a contributing writer at Harper’s Magazine. He also has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, Granta, The New Republic and Vice. Check out Hal’s and James’ no-holds-barred conversation infused with the history and politics of American public lands and waters.

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0:00.0	Hello everybody this is Hal Herring backcountry hunters and English
0:03.4	Podcast and blast I have an introduction to today's conversation
0:09.0	It is the conversation is with my friend Jamesogue, who is a conflict journalist.
0:15.0	He has, I first met James at Malheur Wildlife Refuge during the winter of 2016 where he was embedded with the Bundy occupation there.
0:28.8	James and I met around the fire there and he graciously introduced me to folks and that would help me with my own reporting.
0:37.0	He had been involved in that movement, which I didn't know any of this at the time since the occupation of the sugar pine mine in Oregon, which was on BLM land.
0:48.2	That was a giant militia occupation there, which brought him to this subject. James as I said is a conflict journalist. He's
0:59.3	reported from Northern Ireland from South Africa.
1:03.0	He was a train hopper for a while,
1:06.4	and also got his start kind of in this,
1:10.0	working in a gold mine in Africa in the country of Mauritania when he was very young which kind of gave him an acquaintance with conflict zones that he's carried on ever since. He's written a remarkable book about his time
1:26.2	amongst the Bundy followers and with the Bundies it's called chosen country, a
1:31.0	rebellion in the West.
1:33.5	And I'm pleased to have him here today.
1:37.4	Let's go back here for a second.
1:40.1	One of the things that happened with James, when he came back to America to explore what he calls this particular fault line, this particular insurrection, was he became a wanderer of the West.
1:53.5	He's a fanatical fisherman camper, and he got acquainted
1:58.2	with the concept of the American public lands
2:01.7	in a way that he said he would never have otherwise had he not been called to report on this
2:09.0	insurrection. So there is that here and the rest of that is James's opinions are his own.
2:16.4	They're extremely strongly held. They're hard earned.
2:19.5	He's a person of incredible background of reading and writing and reporting and some of his opinions
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