Welcome to the TIFO Football Podcast. We've got an extra special episode for you today. It's going to be all about concussion. Talk about it. We've got the CEO of the Concussion Legacy Foundation, Dr. Chris Nguinsky, who many of you may know, he's had an amazing life with a lot of very different experiences played american football

at harvard he was a professional wrestler with the wwee had his career finished by concussion

and in the years since his dedicated his life to developing understanding and education around

concussion it really is an amazing story i hope hope people learn a lot from it and enjoy listening to Chris.

We obviously, we ignore the specifics of the Rao Jimenez and David Luis incident from a few

days ago just because that would make a time specific.

We want this to be a more general conversation

and something which people can hopefully call back to as and when.

But I hope it's useful.

And here's Chris.

I'm going to do. Chris, thank you so much for joining us. I know that there will be people listening who know who you are and know about your personal journey, but it's probably worth running through it again.

Yeah, it's not quite a linear path.

It's not traditional.

No, no, no.

So, yeah, so I had a good time playing a lot of American football and bashing my head and took a regular job actually in the healthcare world, but got scared of being in a cubicle.

And this opportunity opened up to give professional wrestling

a try and having done sports and theater, being a fan, I went for it and had a blast and had

a lot of success very quickly and it was on Monday Night Raw, you know, within a year and a half

of my first day in the ring. But unfortunately, what comes with that lack of an

experience, or that lack of experience was a few too many concussions. And I had to retire from

post concussion syndrome in 2003. It's quite difficult to, because also we live in a kind of a post-awareness

world where people understand concussion in a different way to how they did when I was growing up, certainly. I'm 36 now and, you know, when I was when I was a teenager when I was younger, having a concussion was almost like a badge of honour. It was a, well, I played hard, I, you know, got my bell rung and I, you know, played on again. When you were growing up, did you have the same mentality when you were playing American football? Was it just a thing that happened to you and then you moved on? Were you unaware of the kind of

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