Concrete Plans to Restore Law, after Trump
Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts
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Summary
One of the challenges of modern legal journalism is recalling that case law, doctrine, and Supreme Court decisions aren’t a complete picture, without including the lived realities of the people whose lives and communities are often turned upside down by changes in the law.
On Tuesday night, the Supreme Court’s far-right flank vastly expanded its holding in Louisiana v. Callais to make it harder, if not impossible, to challenge racist voting maps designed to suppress Black votes. The shadow-docket decision misrepresented its own holding in Callais and discarded a case it had already decided. With the conservative supermajority tossing a lower-court panel’s finding in Allen v. Milligan and further erasing voting rights for Black Americans across the country, Amicus revisits our 2022 conversation with Evan Milligan, the named plaintiff, at the time the case first came to the high court. Milligan explained what’s at stake for the very real people living in gerrymandered districts in Alabama’s Black Belt region; a gerrymander blessed this week that was forbidden just three years ago.
Later, Dahlia Lithwick talks with Andrew Weissmann, an MS NOW legal analyst, NYU law professor, and veteran federal prosecutor who served as lead prosecutor under special counsel Robert S. Mueller and as chief of the DOJ’s Fraud Section. Even with Opinionpalooza heating up at the high court, Weissmann pauses to analyze a busy week in democratic dismantling at the Justice Department and on Capitol Hill. And, Weissmann proposes something truly shocking— real accountability for public officials who lie, as laid out in his new bestselling book, Liar’s Kingdom: How to Stop Trump’s Deceit and Save America.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:16.0 | I'm Dahlia Lithway. Lethweig. |
| 0:32.7 | Of all the challenges of modern legal journalism, surely the biggest lies in the temptation to cover cases, law, doctrine, and reversals as the entirety of the work product, without tying all that to the lived realities of those who find their communities and their lives reordered around those changes. |
| 0:46.6 | When the voices you hear most are those of the nine justices of the Supreme Court, it's easy to take their assorted claims and assertions about how the |
| 0:56.0 | court is irregular and nonpartisan and astonishingly and consistently above the fray as somehow |
| 1:02.2 | persuasive or even relevant. On Tuesday night, the Supreme Court's far right wing vastly expanded |
| 1:09.6 | its holding in Louisiana v. Calais to make it harder, if not outright impossible, to challenge racist voting maps put into play with the purpose of suppressing black votes. |
| 1:19.6 | It did this in a few mumbledygook lines on the shadow docket in Alan v. Milligan, a case it had already decided by both misrepresenting its own |
| 1:29.6 | holding in Calais and also the findings of the lower court panel that it chose to disregard. |
| 1:35.7 | The six justices who failed to sign the unsigned opinion, we have no idea of which of them |
| 1:41.2 | even joined it, will now continue to speak from their platforms in the form of book |
| 1:45.9 | tours and circuit conferences and televised speeches and remarks at European vacation spots, |
| 1:51.6 | while black voters across the country will see their voting maps carved up and their political |
| 1:56.2 | representation diminished, the news cycle will move on, and you will likely not hear much more about it because |
| 2:02.5 | there is not very much that is clicky about partisan gerrymandering. There are so many voices |
| 2:08.4 | you won't hear from after this week's decision out of Alabama. You may not hear from the panel of |
| 2:13.5 | judges of the three-judge district court that included two Donald Trump appointees, who painstakingly found that the Alabama legislature had violated the Voting Rights Act by diluting Black representation back in 2022, and who continued to reaffirm that decision until last month. You may not hear from the voting rights groups that organized and litigated these cases over years and years, or from the witnesses and the plaintiffs. You may not hear from the people whose votes and districts and regions will be sliced and diced on the basis of race after the court blessed that practice this past week. Back in the fall of 2022, we spoke to Evan Milligan, the name plaintiff in this litigation. |
| 2:52.8 | We spoke to him the week the case was first argued at the U.S. Supreme Court. |
| 2:57.0 | He would go on to win that case the following June. |
| 3:00.2 | For me, his words have come to stand in as an epitaph for what happens when you think about the American experience |
| 3:06.3 | as a sum of maps and power and cynical gerrymandering and horse race elections and Supreme Court tests. |
| 3:13.3 | He explained how and why Alabama's so-called black belt came to be a place where, in the face of maps and power and elections and gerrymandering, |
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