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Welcome back to It Could Happen here, a podcast where Robert Evans is slightly adjusting the levels on his microphone because I am in New Orleans traveling.

And with my friend and city resident and former

guest of the pod, Carl, Carl, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me, Robert. It's great to be

back. I mean, we've done a few episodes in the past on different podcasts, and it's always,

I don't want to say a treat, but it's good to work with you because some of the topics, of course, are pretty rough.

Yeah, and you and I have talked, I think primarily in our previous episodes about both like digital security and then guns.

Like we've talked about people getting into shooting.

We've talked about like kind of what's responsible and irresponsible when it comes to training and firearms advice.

And today we're kind of starting by talking about guns in a different context,

which is the fact that specifically they are often used as an excuse by law enforcement,

like the fear of the fear or the reality of some men being armed as an excuse for killing them, right?

We can talk about the killing of Philando Castile in July of 2016, who was a black man who was

stopped by the police and a legal license concealed carryholder and was shot during that traffic

stop because the officer panicked. But the case that's right now on people's minds is the case

of Alex Prettie, who was killed by Border Patrol earlier this year, was wearing a gun during a confrontation, but he was just filming.

They stripped him of his weapon, and they shot and executed him.

And a case that has actually drawn criticism from gun rights organizations towards the Trump administration, which doesn't happen often.

But I think the kind of point you brought up when you and I started talking about this was that

what happened to Preti, you know, not only can you go back to other cases where law enforcement

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