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Con Men in New York, Iconography of punishment

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BBC

Society & Culture, Science

4.4997 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2016

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Con men in New York: The little known world of the urban hustler. Laurie Taylor talks to Terry Williams, Professor of Sociology at the New School for Social Research in New York, about his study into the ways in which con artists play their game in back alleys, police precincts and Wall St boiler rooms. He spent years studying their psychological tricks as they scammed tourists with bogus tales, sold off knock offs in Canal St and crafted Ponzi schemes. They're joined by Dick Hobbs, Emeritus Professor of Sociology at the University of Essex.

The iconography of punishment. From Piranesi's prison fantasies to Warhol's Electric Chair, images of penal retribution have featured prominently in Western art. Eamonn Carrabine, Professor of Sociology at the University of Essex, asks what we can learn from artistic treatments of the ways in which we've dealt with criminals over time.

Producer: Jayne Egerton.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is a Thinking Aloud Podcast from the BBC and for more details in our terms of use and much,

0:06.2

much more about thinking aloud. Go to our website at BBC.co.uk.

0:12.4

It's many years now since I worked as a sociology tutor in the maximum security

0:16.9

wing of Durham prison but I can still remember the notoriety enjoyed by some of my

0:20.8

students gang leaders like Charlie Richardson and Ronnie Craig,

0:24.8

train robber Bruce Reynolds, bank robber John McVicker.

0:28.0

I can also, without too much difficulty, remember the sounds of the place, the resonating footsteps and the clanking keys and the

0:36.9

the banging doors.

0:40.9

The what? But what stays most vividly in my mind still it's a memory of the

0:48.4

atmosphere of the place here is how Stan Cohen and I try to characterize that aspect of E-wing in our book Psychological Survival.

0:57.0

The lighting was completely uniform. There were no shadows or pools of light. There were no color variations, no distinctive clothes,

1:04.6

merely two sets of uniforms. There were no windows which opened in this building to let in any

1:09.6

air. So the great concrete and steel vault throbbed day and night winter and summer to the rhythm of an inadequate ventilation system.

1:18.5

This was a lifeless cavern of railings and landings and pipes.

1:23.0

It's like living in a submarine, as one prisoner said.

1:26.0

And of course for these prisoners, the voyage was measured in decades, not months.

1:31.0

Well, even as we wrote that, we realized how much a picture, a photograph,

1:36.2

any sort of visual representation would have complimented our meager words. I was therefore

1:41.6

intrigued to learn of a recent lecture given at Goldsmith's University of

1:44.8

London under the title The Iconography of Punishment, and its author, Aeman Carabine,

1:50.4

whose professor of Sociology at the University of Essex, now joins me in the studio.

1:55.0

Visual sociology.

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