Welcome back to the podcast, bribes, swindle, or steel.

I'm Alexandra Ragi.

Today I'm in Vancouver and speaking with my guest about anti-bribery compliance in Canada,

what progress has been made and why things feel a bit sluggish here.

My guest is Amy Sandu, a well-respected Canadian lawyer and compliance expert.

Amy is the founder and principal lawyer of Lex Integra,

a law firm that focuses exclusively on business law and corporate ethics.

Amy provides clients with in-house counsel services

and helps them build or assess their ethics and compliance programs.

Before launching her own firm, Amy held positions both with law firms and as in-house counsel,

so she brings a valuable perspective to the challenges that companies face.

Thank you for joining me, Amy.

Thank you, Alexander, for having me.

It's always a pleasure to speak with you, and I feel like it's time to check in on Canada again. Everybody

thinks of Canada is fairly benign on these issues, but in fact, things have been a little slow launching.

Can you maybe provide a little history on efforts in Canada with respect to anti-bribery?

Building on the concept of benign, some might say benign neglect. So in terms of Canada's history with respect to anti-bribery? Building on the concept of benign, some might say benign neglect.

So in terms of Canada's history with respect to anti-corruption, all you'd have to do is take a look

at the statements that have come out of organizations like the OECD over the years. And there generally

is a view that Canada is not doing as much as it could be or it should be

with respect to fighting corruption in Canada, but also fighting corruption by Canadian entities

when they are overseas. And if you take a look at the actual facts of the matter,

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