I think in particular what the outage emphasizes is the paradigm of what we're going to have competitors and they're going to have different networks and that's going to create resilience in the network.

It didn't work. It didn't happen. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, or as I've been saying with this series, Tech Won't Save Canada.

Last month, I launched the Canadian bonus series that have some specific conversations about tech in Canada,

because that's where I'm from and I really care about these issues.

But I probably should have thought about this a little bit more because summer came right after it.

And to be quite honest, I don't really want to do two episodes a week during the summer because I'm trying to take it a little bit easy.

So here's the plan. For July and August, the Canadian episodes are going to be regular weekly episodes. Then in

September, I'm going to go back to making those a bonus episode. But I think that this episode is

going to be very interesting and applicable to many people outside of Canada, as these conversations

will be

anyway. This week my guest is Fenwick McKelvey. Fenwick is the author of Internet

Damans, digital communications possessed, and an associate professor in the Department of

Communication Studies at Concordia University in Montreal. He's also the director of machine

agencies at the Milia Institute. You might have

heard in the news that on July 8th, Rogers, which is one of the major telecom networks in Canada,

went down for basically the whole day. And as a result of that, people not only lost their

home phone service, their cable, their internet, but our debit payment system went

down across the country. 9-1-1, which is the emergency number, was not accessible for many

Rogers customers, and there were many other consequences that came of that outage.

It really put a spotlight on how concentrated the Canadian telecom sector is, and how these companies do not

often serve the public interest, and that the government has neglected its role as a regulator

of these services for far too long to allow them to act in service of their own profits and their

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