Comparing Civilian Casualty Tolerance in the Israel-Hamas War to the War Against ISIS with Mark Lattimer
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🗓️ 30 November 2023
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Israel’s military response to Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacre has raised deep concern from international legal observers and the general public. The IDF’s tactics have been described as “disproportionate,” and not taking sufficient care to avoid killing civilians or damaging civilian infrastructure, as the law of armed conflict requires.
When it comes to incidental casualties in particular, Mark Lattimer, Executive Director of Ceasefire Centre for Civilian Rights, recently argued on Lawfare’s pages that Israel’s tolerance for civilian deaths seems to surpass even that of the U.S. and U.K.’s in the war against ISIS. Lawfare Associate Editor Hyemin Han talked to him about the case study he used to make this point—an analysis of Israel’s decision to carry out airstrikes in the Jabalia Refugee Camp in October. They compared that to what happened in the Battle of Mosul in 2014, and then got into the bigger differences between Israel’s war against Hamas and the war against ISIS.
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| 1:15.0 | Now you can immediately see that if that's what US and UK practice is, that it is completely out of step with the practice of the Israel Defense Forces in the in Gaza. And when I say out of step, |
| 1:17.0 | it seems pretty clear that the Israeli tolerance |
| 1:20.0 | for civilian casualties |
| 1:22.0 | is not just greater or quite a lot greater, |
| 1:25.3 | it's multiples greater than that employed by the US. |
| 1:31.9 | I'm Heman Hahn, Associate Editor at Lawfare. |
| 1:35.0 | This is the Lawfare Podcast for November 30th, 2023. |
| 1:40.0 | Israel's military response to Hamas's October 7th massacre has raised deep concern from international legal observers and the general public. |
| 1:48.0 | The IDF's tactics have been described as, quote, disproportionate and not taking sufficient care to |
| 1:54.1 | avoid killing civilians or damaging civilian infrastructure as the law of |
| 1:58.1 | armed conflict requires. When it comes to incidental casualties in particular, Mark Latimer, Executive Director of Cease Fire Center for Civilian Rights, |
| 2:08.0 | recently argued on law fair pages that Israel's tolerance for civilian deaths seems to surpass even that of the US and the UK's in the war against ISIS. |
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