You're going to be. This is Monica Perez joined today by our returning guest Jeremy Kuzmeroff, the managing editor of Covert Action magazine and author of numerous books including the Russians are

coming again the first Cold War as tragedy the second as farce I think I have that

title memorized well Jeremy and I have that title memorized.

Well, Jeremy and I have totally different ideological bent.

He thinks government's legit, and I think it's at this point

totally hopeless.

But we have a lot of common ground.

So let's discover it.

Thank you so much, Jeremy, for joining us once again.

Thanks so much for having me.

Since last time we spoke, there have been many articles

that you wrote for Covert Action magazine.

And I know you're also working on an expose of, if that's the right word for it, of Bill

Clinton and I wondered how that's going.

Good, yeah, that book should be published. I believe it will be released on December 1st, and I worked on it for many years. It's called Warmonger how Bill Clinton shaped the foreign policy trajectory from Bush to Biden.

And yeah, it looks at how a lot of the disastrous policies really emanated with Clinton like the NATO expansion

on the new Cold War. That's obviously a key chapter and really Clinton set that in

motion and I think the tragedy was that you had you

you had figured like Robert McNamara who was no dub I mean this is the architect

the Vietnam War he said the end of the Cold War presents an opportunity for a new peace dividend and you know we can finally invest our money now the Cold War is over we can invest our tax dollar you know

rebuilding America, improving living conditions in America, but unfortunately

Clinton followed a different path and he really pioneered the humanitarian intervention with Cold War pretext gone.

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