The Christchurcho podcast.

We've been following this closely.

The trial of Mark Hauke, thrilled to have Andrew Bath,

executive vice president general counsel

with the Thomas Moore Society,

who is defending Mr. Hauke at trial in Philadelphia.

And Mr. Bath, thank you for your time today.

You're literally, as we talk,

you're getting ready to get back into court.

So I understand time is tight,

but I wanted to get your take on this case generally speaking

and how you feel about its outcome.

Well, generally speaking,

I think this is just a horrific abuse of government power.

And I'm coming to you from the 11th floor

of the Burned Federal Courthouse in Philadelphia.

That's right around the corner from Independence Hall.

And it's sometimes like these that you appreciate.

The efforts our founders made took to keep people

from abusing government power.

So we have this separation of powers.

And we have the jury system.

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