who are trying to pursue success in this very mysterious industry.

They don't know how to be successful in it,

and they're looking to anyone who can ostensibly

tell them how to succeed.

Yeah.

And that I found to be just very pervasive in LA throughout, like not even among actors, but just, yeah,

like everyone's looking for like a guru or a mentor, like some kind of guidance, but because it's fundamentally godless, they end up in these like very, like, you know,

esoteric meditative new-agee areas that become very dark.

I wanted to ask you about like the deep LA lore of Lonnie Wilson who makes a cameo in your last book.

Do you know her personally?

Do you know about this girl?

She was like a beautiful and successful fitness model

and I guess Wannabe actress who was married

to Jeremy Jackson from Baywatch and her claim to fame now is that

she's like on the Daily Mail or in the New York Post because she's like a crackhead junkie on the streets of LA.

She's like not wearing any makeup,

missing all her teeth and she looks so amazing.

She looks like she's walking Elena Vala's.

Like she's a beautiful woman, so she's always going to be beautiful no matter what she does.

Yeah, so she's part of the Met Gala and she's actually part of Saints and Secrets.

It's the only time I bookended a character.

But I just was riveted by that.

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