Comic journalist Joe Sacco on his portrait of deadly riots in Uttar Pradesh, India
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🗓️ 25 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. People like to see themselves as the |
| 0:07.9 | hero in their own story. That's just a natural thing, but it can lead to distortions in reality. |
| 0:14.9 | This is something that journalist Joe Sacco wanted to explore in his latest book, The Once and Future |
| 0:19.7 | Riot. In it, he examines a small moment of violence in 2013 India that led to a string of riots |
| 0:26.4 | and violence between Hindus and Muslims. |
| 0:29.0 | And while this book is about India in 2013, I think the lessons he gleaned from his reporting |
| 0:34.1 | could be applied to any conflict, including the ones you've got here in the U.S. |
| 0:39.5 | My conversation with Joe Sacco after the break. |
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| 0:57.1 | T's and C's apply. |
| 0:59.1 | In 2013, two young men, they were cousins, killed a man. |
| 1:03.2 | This was in a rural part of Uttar Pradesh, a state in northern India. |
| 1:07.8 | The cousins were Hindu. |
| 1:09.3 | The other man was Muslim. |
| 1:10.5 | What followed was a series of |
| 1:13.0 | alternating violence in the region between Hindus and Muslims. Joe Sacco's new book, The Once |
| 1:18.6 | and Future Riot, is about that violence, but it's less about the ins and outs of what happened |
| 1:24.4 | and more about the stories people tell themselves about what happened. |
| 1:28.8 | Because ultimately, I think everything's about story. It's how you categorize your enemy. |
| 1:34.2 | You want to diminish any role you might have had in the violence and you want to |
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