Hello, good morning, good evening, good afternoon.

Welcome to the For The Many Podcast.

Can I just say, Jackie, it is an honour to serve the podcast that I love.

Stop being so horrible.

I have been, it's Saturday morning when we're recording this and actually I feel really bad

that every single newspaper has got a picture of Theresa May looking tearful on the front of it. When you yesterday were being

tearful all over Facebook about the whole thing, weren't you? I think that's a slight exaggeration.

I just said on Twitter that when she did that at the end, it did make me feel quite emotional because it's not nice to see

somebody, whether they're male or female, losing their job like that and, well, essentially

getting quite emotional at the end of it. I think you have to be a very hard person if you don't

empathize with that. And we'll come on to this

in a moment because there's been a lot of reaction. I've just seen the ridiculous Eleanor Penny

from Navarra Media on Sky News. I mean, I don't know why broadcasters have these people on, to be

honest. And they don't do the Labour Party any good

either because they come out with all of this bile about, oh, well, you can't empathise with the

Prime Minister because of Windrush, because of this, that and the other. And I'm thinking,

no normal person will agree with you. Most normal people who are not obsessed by left-wing

politics or right-wing politics,

they will look at the Prime Minister and they think, well, she's done her best and it's a shame it's

ended this way and I feel a bit sorry for it. That's how normal people react to these things.

I think that's true. I think it is possible, incidentally, to feel both those things, but I agree

with you that conflating, refusing

...