“Come to This Court and Cry: How the Holocaust Ends,” with Linda Kinstler and Sam Moyn

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🗓️ 2 February 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Last December, a German court convicted a 97-year-old former Nazi camp secretary of complicity in the murder of more than 10,000 people in what the media called—once again—the last Nazi trial. After almost eight decades, the Holocaust is still being litigated, remembered, and all-too-often misremembered.

Lawfare managing editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Linda Kinstler, author of the book, “Come to This Court and Cry: How the Holocaust Ends,” and Sam Moyn, a professor of both history and law at Yale University, to discuss Linda's book. They talked about Linda's stunning discovery in Latvia that led her to tell this story, the limits of the law in holding perpetrators of mass murder accountable, and whether the antonym of forgetting is not remembering, but justice.

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0:29.0	And during this kind of process of interrogation,
0:37.0	the perpetrator asked for a moment alone with Berman.
0:41.0	And Berman agreed.
0:43.0	And so they go to this, you know, they're left alone.
0:47.0	And the Nazi starts asking for forgiveness.
0:52.0	He says, please help me.
0:54.0	Please do whatever you can to get me out.
0:58.0	And Berman says, I will do whatever I can.
1:01.0	So long as you are willing to confess to your crimes from A to Z,
1:04.0	to say everything that you did and went into whom.
1:08.0	And he ascends and it's this weird moment.
1:12.0	They later, you know, share the same cigarette and they even embrace.
1:16.0	And it's this really, really jarring account.
1:19.0	But then later, Berman writes a letter detailing what happened.
1:24.0	And in it, he reflects.
1:26.0	He says, you know, even if he were to confess from A to Z,
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