meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Latter-day Saint FAIR-Cast

Come, Follow Me with FAIR – Genesis 1–2; Moses 2–3; Abraham 4–5 – Jennifer Roach Lees

Latter-day Saint FAIR-Cast

FAIR

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.1574 Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 69 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Jennifer is joined in this episode by Ben Spackman to talk about Genesis chapters 1 and 2.

 

Ben Spackman is a historian and scholar whose work spans Semitic languages, biblical studies, the history of science, and the history of Christianity—particularly the Reformation and modern American religion. He completed doctoral coursework in Comparative Semitics at the University of Chicago before earning his Ph.D. in American Religious History from Claremont Graduate University.

Jennifer Roach Lees holds a Master in Divinity as well as a Masters in Counseling Psychology. She is a licensed mental health therapist and lives in Utah.

The post Come, Follow Me with FAIR – Genesis 1–2; Moses 2–3; Abraham 4–5 – Jennifer Roach Lees appeared first on FAIR.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

People get confused by God not doing anything on day seven, but resting.

0:03.5

And as it turns out, resting is the most important part of creation because if creation

0:08.5

in Genesis 1 is not about physical construction or physical organization, but rather God

0:15.4

creating by distinguishing and naming and assigning functions, that is why deities in the ancient Near East, they only rest in temples.

0:24.7

And they only rest in temples when things are going well.

0:27.7

Yeah.

0:28.2

Ezekiel has a vision of God leaving the Israelite temple.

0:32.1

And that is why destruction happens and creation reverts.

0:36.0

So there is all this stuff under the surface that is really, really different than what

0:41.3

we tend to think that I find fascinating and useful and it's really good for undermining science-religion

0:49.3

conflict.

0:50.3

Hello. Hello and welcome back to Fairs Come Follow Me Old Testament Year.

1:01.4

I am Jennifer Roach-Lease and I am so excited today to have Dr. Ben Spackman joining us.

1:07.0

Thank you. I'm thrilled to be here.

1:08.7

And we are going to talk about Genesis 1 and 2.

1:11.7

Yes. Ben, I was talking with you earlier and asking like, what is your, what is actually your title? What is it that you do? And I think you gave me historian of science, religion, and biblical interpretation. Yeah, I work at the intersection of those three things. I started off doing pre-med and linguistics with Greek and Hebrew,

1:30.8

but I graduated in Near Eastern Studies, did not go to medical school,

1:34.2

did six years at the University of Chicago in essentially Old Testament languages and literature,

1:40.5

plus four years of Arabic.

1:42.7

They didn't think I could cite read Babylonian well enough,

1:45.6

so I left with my master's degree after six years. Slacker. And I'd been teaching a lot of

1:52.6

institute, and I was very interested in the early chapters of Genesis and how they had come to

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from FAIR, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of FAIR and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.