Welcome to Meridian Magazine's Come Follow Me podcast.

We're Scott and Maureen Proctor, and we are delighted to be with you again this week.

As we discuss, first Samuel, chapters 8 through 10, 13, and chapters 15 through 18.

In a lesson entitled, The Battle is the Lords, and this title gets us very excited about

the things that we're going to discuss.

And we have with us today a special guest, Mark Matthews, who has been a teacher in the

seminary and institute program and also has been a teacher at BYU, specializing in

church history and doctrine.

He has a PhD in education from Utah State University, and he and his wife, Mandy, live in Springville.

So Mark, we have here at the beginning of these chapters, Samuel, who's been such a powerful

leader, but his sons have not followed his way.

And so they've turned aside from him and they've taken bribes, and they're just not people

who are there to lead Israel.

And so the people come to Samuel and complain that since his sons walk not in his ways,

they want a king.

What do you make of that?

I think it's a really interesting dilemma that they face, and what the scriptures said,

I think, is really powerful with a great lesson in it.

In first Samuel, chapter 8, verse 5, it says, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk

not in thy ways.

Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

And I think that last phrase is especially powerful, like all the nations, right?

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