It can actually be a battalion task force assigned to one building.

The road's a funnel for bullets.

And so you don't want to move out on the streets.

Ideally, you're moving between buildings.

So they're building breaches between walls of buildings,

you know, these concrete walls so that the troops can move safely and not come under attack as

they move from one building to the next or one block to the next.

The case study of Suez City that we wrote for the Urban Warfare Project, it shows what

happens if you sequence arms rather than combining arms.

It'll be the engineers and be the main effort

for a brief period of time. Then the tank, the armor may be. And then it'll be the infantry,

right? Hey, welcome back to the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Ambo, editorial director at

MWI. And I'm joined on this episode by two guests who have long been instrumental parts of

MWI. Liam Collins was the founding director of the Institute and John Spencer currently serves

as MWI's chair of Urban Warfare Studies.

As former army officers with a variety of combat experience between them and as co-authors

of a book on urban warfare, I wanted to get their perspectives on what is expected to be a heavily urban

battle if Israeli ground forces enter Gaza, which they appear primed to do.

In particular, I wanted to discuss how an Israeli force must utilize a variety of capabilities

in concert with one another to achieve specified objectives.

This is fundamentally what we call combined arms. And as you'll hear

from Liam and John, it is exceptionally important and can be very difficult in urban areas.

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