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🗓️ 20 February 2022
⏱️ 67 minutes
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0:00.0 | Hey, deserving listeners, today's episode is an episode in which I interviewed someone |
0:12.2 | regarding Scientology and Colts and groupthink, and that sort of thing, so let's just get to |
0:17.1 | that. |
0:18.1 | My name is John A. Tech. |
0:20.4 | What slim reputation I have, perhaps hinges on a book called Let's Sell These People |
0:24.9 | a Piece of Blue Sky, which was originally published in 1990 and is the only detail history |
0:32.0 | of the Scientology group and its founder, Ron Hubbard. |
0:36.6 | I spent 16 years being harassed by Scientology for exposing the truth about them, and I sort |
0:45.9 | of retreated from that after about the 10th court case 20 years ago, and put my time |
0:51.7 | into understanding group dynamics, because it was obvious to me having then dealt with |
0:56.2 | about 500X members, that the same dynamics happen in all human groups, and while a lot |
1:03.1 | of people in the counter-cult world will talk about mind control, this is a term of art, |
1:10.2 | they are also keen to let people understand that probably about 90% of what happens in |
1:15.2 | a group is quite normal, they are normal social dynamics, so that we, you know Solomon |
1:22.3 | Ash's experiments that show that we will, if you go into a room full of people who say |
1:26.8 | that two, you know, lines of different length of the same length, about 2-thirds of people |
1:31.2 | will say, oh, they are the same length, Milgram's experiments, Zimbada's experiments, Muzafi |
1:38.0 | Sharif, lots of brilliant people in the 50s and 60s did work, that you were now questioned |
1:44.8 | ethically, because some of the things they did were a little bit strong, but they did |
1:49.1 | reveal that there is a sort of a group thing can urge towards obedience in human beings, |
1:56.7 | and our education system unfortunately promotes this, my good friend Ira Chalaf, last year |
2:04.4 | published a book called Intelligent Disobedience, the title comes from the training of guide dogs |
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