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Psychology In Seattle Podcast

Combating Scientology and Other Cults (2017 Rerun)

Psychology In Seattle Podcast

Kirk Honda

Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2022

⏱️ 67 minutes

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[Rerun] Dr. Kirk Honda talks with author, Jon Atack, about his experience in scientology and how to prevent people from being harmed by cults.

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0:00.0

Hey, deserving listeners, today's episode is an episode in which I interviewed someone

0:12.2

regarding Scientology and Colts and groupthink, and that sort of thing, so let's just get to

0:17.1

that.

0:18.1

My name is John A. Tech.

0:20.4

What slim reputation I have, perhaps hinges on a book called Let's Sell These People

0:24.9

a Piece of Blue Sky, which was originally published in 1990 and is the only detail history

0:32.0

of the Scientology group and its founder, Ron Hubbard.

0:36.6

I spent 16 years being harassed by Scientology for exposing the truth about them, and I sort

0:45.9

of retreated from that after about the 10th court case 20 years ago, and put my time

0:51.7

into understanding group dynamics, because it was obvious to me having then dealt with

0:56.2

about 500X members, that the same dynamics happen in all human groups, and while a lot

1:03.1

of people in the counter-cult world will talk about mind control, this is a term of art,

1:10.2

they are also keen to let people understand that probably about 90% of what happens in

1:15.2

a group is quite normal, they are normal social dynamics, so that we, you know Solomon

1:22.3

Ash's experiments that show that we will, if you go into a room full of people who say

1:26.8

that two, you know, lines of different length of the same length, about 2-thirds of people

1:31.2

will say, oh, they are the same length, Milgram's experiments, Zimbada's experiments, Muzafi

1:38.0

Sharif, lots of brilliant people in the 50s and 60s did work, that you were now questioned

1:44.8

ethically, because some of the things they did were a little bit strong, but they did

1:49.1

reveal that there is a sort of a group thing can urge towards obedience in human beings,

1:56.7

and our education system unfortunately promotes this, my good friend Ira Chalaf, last year

2:04.4

published a book called Intelligent Disobedience, the title comes from the training of guide dogs

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