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Welcome to the Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine. My name is Daniel Denver and I'm broadcasting

from Providence, Rhode Island. The war on terror has long had a sort of unreality about it that

I've struggled to put my finger on. Ever since George W. Bush responded to 9-11 by both announcing

the launch of an endless global war and encouraging Americans to quote, get down to Disney World in

Florida, it was clear that the empire was entering a new and strange moment. The war on terror has

for two decades been simultaneously foundational to what the United States is, and strikingly absent

in so many ways from American life and politics. In combat trauma, imaginaries of war and citizenship

in post-9-11 America, anthropologist Nadia Abu Al-Haj has ridden one of the most important books

about this new era of American militarism, and Abu Al-Haj is my guest today. While it may

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