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Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

This is an interview about the state of the U.S. left, reflecting on the question of and debates

around ultra-leftism that have emerged big time since Bernie 2020.

In particular, we're thinking through two works, one very recent and one kind of old.

First, the liberal to ultra-left pipeline, breaking the cycle, which was recently published

in the Washington Socialist by Brian W. Then a classic, liberalism, ultra-leftism, or mass action,

a speech delivered by socialist workers' party leader

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