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From KQED. Welcome back to Forum. I'm Michael Krasny. Politzer Prize winning columnist George Will left

the Republican Party in 2016 to protest the nomination of Donald Trump as the GOP's presidential

candidate. And in a recent column, he went on a step further, calling for the defeat of President

Trump and the Republican Senate majority in November. Longtime conservative thought leader

joins us to talk about the presidential election and why he's denouncing Trump more urgently

than ever. And welcome George Wilgood, to have you back with us. Glad to be with you.

I guess the place to begin is, did you ever

imagine that you would be talking about wanting to essentially get rid of all your fellow

Republicans? This seems not only unprecedented, it seems quite radical, frankly. I didn't imagine

it until about three years ago when I saw that he was being normalized.

That's why I left the Republican Party on June 3rd, 2016, because on June 2nd, 2016,

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