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Columbia’s Deal With Trump: Will Other Universities Follow Suit?

City Journal Audio

Manhattan Institute

Politics, News Commentary, News

4.8615 Ratings

🗓️ 24 July 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Charles Fain Lehman, Rafael Mangual, Tal Fortgang, and Carolyn Gorman discuss Columbia University’s deal with the Trump administration, the White House’s AI action plan, and the technology's usefulness in tasks at work.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to the City Journal podcast.

0:11.7

I'm your host, Charles Fain Lehman, Senior Editor of City Journal.

0:14.7

Joining me on the panel today are sometime host, Refile Menguil, who also works on All Things Crime with the Manhattan

0:21.6

Institute, Tulf Fort Gang, who works on all things domestic extremism, legal, whatever, at the

0:27.7

Manhattan Institute, and Carolyn Gorman, who works on all things mental health at the Manhattan Institute.

0:32.1

Thanks to everybody, as always, for being on. I want to take us into the news the past couple of days coming out of right here in the

0:41.7

city of New York, actually, where I am for the day, and specifically at our old friend

0:45.9

Columbia University, which has finally reached a deal with the Trump administration, settling

0:51.1

a variety of complaints, and then also, I think on Tuesday, they suspended or expelled

0:57.4

70 students who were involved in the takeover of a library that I believe we talked about

1:01.5

on the show previously. So this seems like a big about face Carolyn. You were going to summarize

1:06.6

the details of the agreement for us. Yeah. So, like you said, Charles, this agreement between

1:14.5

Columbia and the Trump administration was just reached yesterday. Columbia is going to pay

1:20.1

$221 million in penalties for allegedly failing to protect students from anti-Semitic harassment. And I say allegedly

1:29.3

failing to protect students because the agreement does not require admission a fault. But in return

1:35.9

for paying these penalties and meeting a few other demands, Columbia is going to get hundreds of

1:41.9

millions of dollars in federal research funds that were cut off back in March, including most of the grants that had been terminated from the National Institutes of Health and the Department of Health and Human Services.

1:53.8

So a few other things aside from these penalties that Columbia is going to pay, they've got to change their disciplinary review, which is what

2:03.2

we saw on Tuesday. They have agreed to review their Middle East curriculum to make sure the

2:10.0

curriculum is balanced. They'll appoint a new faculty to the institutes, or excuse me, to the

2:16.3

University's Institute for Israel and Jewish

2:18.8

studies. They'll add an administrator to serve as a liaison to students facing anti-Semitism.

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