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Welcome to the Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine. My name is Daniel Denver,

and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island. I've been wanting to do this interview with

Brenna Bandar for a long time. An interview on her remarkable book, Colonial Lives of Property,

Law, Land, and Racial Regimes of Ownership. Bandar is no stranger to the podcast.

She co-edited Ruth Wilson Gilmore's book Abolition Geography,

Enjoined Gilmore and Alberto Tuscano to discuss and dissect the collection.

Bandar's own book analyzes the history of how dominant conceptions of private property were

and are made alongside race and racial hierarchies in colonial encounters,

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