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The Assignment with Audie Cornish

College Arrests: “A Kind of Policy That Ends Democracies”

The Assignment with Audie Cornish

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News Commentary, News, Politics

4.6844 Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Detaining foreign students over their activism is the “kind of policy that ends democracies.” That’s what Jameel Jaffer tells Audie this week. He’s a law professor and Executive Director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. We also hear from Franziska Wild, student senior editor at The Georgetown Voice, about the chilling effect the detentions are having on campus.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

At the height of the campus protest over the Israel Hamas war, my colleague Elie Re visited several

0:05.8

colleges to talk with students and to get a sense of the mood on campuses.

0:11.4

There's tension at hundreds of colleges across the U.S.

0:14.2

At Tulane, a fight broke out after someone tried to burn an Israeli flag.

0:17.6

And one of the students that she talked with was a doctoral student at Cornell named Momadu Tahl.

0:23.6

There's a lot of concern that pro-Palestinian students are pro-Hamas and pro-terrorist tactics.

0:30.6

Yeah.

0:31.6

Going all the up to national politicians.

0:33.6

Yeah.

0:34.6

Is that true?

0:35.6

Absolutely not true.

0:36.6

My condemnation is inconsequential. I think it's quite racist,

0:41.3

Islamophobic, that before I'm allowed to have a view on genocide, I have to condemn a terrorist

0:46.9

organization. So this interview is from November 23. This was less than a month after the

0:53.4

Hamas terror attack against Israel that killed more than

0:56.1

1,200 people. When Israel retaliated, bombarding the Gaza Strip and creating this humanitarian

1:02.5

disaster, Mamadutal was among those thousands who protested on college campuses.

1:08.8

In my lifetime, it may never change, but I feel encouraged because at the end of the day,

1:12.2

I feel like we are on the right side of history.

1:14.1

And I can go to beds quite comfortably.

1:16.6

But today, that bed is no longer in the United States.

1:22.8

Tal was attending Cornell on a student visa.

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