Colleen Shogan on “In Pursuit” Essay Series [Extended Interview]
The Takeout with Major Garrett
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4.6 • 586 Ratings
🗓️ 8 April 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
Major speaks with Colleen Shogan, former U.S. Archivist and CEO of In Pursuit: the essay series where political leaders highlight the successes and failures of former presidents. Major and Colleen go into depth about the presidencies of Andrew Jackson and Martin van Buren and how history can teach us about how to lead in present-day. If you’re a history buff like Major, it’s an episode you won’t want to miss.
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| 0:00.0 | When beloved family patriarch, Gary Ferris went missing, his family looked everywhere on their |
| 0:05.9 | property until they came across something horrifying. It's a homicide. |
| 0:10.3 | Absolutely. The blame game in this family went round and round. This is Blood is Thicker, |
| 0:16.5 | the Ferris Wheel. I don't see how anyone can look at this story and think they were happy. |
| 0:21.7 | Follow and listen to Blood is Thicker, The Ferris Wheel on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get |
| 0:27.1 | your podcast. The newest essay in the In Pursuit series, Martin Van Vuren. Now, there's also one I saw |
| 0:35.8 | Andrew Jackson. A lot of people sit up and Andrew Jackson. |
| 0:38.3 | Now, let's hear more. |
| 0:39.3 | Martin Van Viren, not so much, but he still deserves an essay, right? |
| 0:43.3 | Colleen. |
| 0:44.3 | Well, absolutely. |
| 0:45.3 | I think all of our presidents deserve an essay. |
| 0:47.3 | Yes, absolutely. |
| 0:48.3 | That's kind of the point, Major. |
| 0:49.3 | You want to catch up with this? |
| 0:51.3 | But Martin Van Buren comes at a pivotal time in American history. |
| 0:55.0 | Why? |
| 0:56.0 | Because- |
| 0:57.0 | What's so pivotal about his time and how was he able to measure up or not quite measure |
| 1:01.6 | up to that testing time? |
| 1:03.2 | Well, he's the successor to Andrew Jackson. |
| 1:06.5 | So actually, you know, Jackson leaves him a number of challenges. There's, Jackson kills the bank, |
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