Welcome to In Conversation, the regular podcast of InCompass. Go to InCompass-HythenEurope.com for free access to all our

podcast to date. This is Paul Adamson. I'm in conversation with Kim Darik. Lord Darryk is the

former UK ambassador to United

States, former permanent representative of the UK to the European Union, former National

Security Advisor and many other top jobs in the British diplomatic system. He's also the author

of this new book, Collateral Damage, Britain, America and Europe in the Age of Trump.

So let's start with the title, Kim. I remember Harangir you on more than one occasion about

you. You have to get attention-grabbing title. It's almost as important of the book itself,

the content. So where did this particular title come from? I will be completely honest with you,

Paul, and tell you that it was my wife, Vanessa's

idea. She actually conjured it up first. We assembled a list of about 10, and this was our

joint favourite. I ran it past my agent, Walsall was the best, and then the publisher initially had some doubts.

I think they were about copyright issues,

because there's a film called Collateral Damage

and there's one other,

there's few other books that have it in the title.

But the subtitle, Britain in the age of,

Britain, Europe and America in the age of Trump, distinguishes it from the other collateral damage books.

So that's what we settled on.

Of course, it's, as we will discuss,

it's chosen because this is one theory about the leak.

Right. So that's the question I suppose, which is begged. Do you see yourself or

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