What we have will be what we do and what we build.

And so anything that tells us to, like, wait on them is not in our interest.

And, like, this is very hard.

We have to have so much grief about this.

And cannot inspire us to, like, immediate actions that are not based in an illusion of tech solutions or governments solving it for us.

Yeah. tech solutions or governments solving it for us....weller....you know, Welcome to the death panel.

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I'm Beatrice Soutler Bolton, and I'm here today with a friend of the panel and fantastic

returning guest, Dean Spade.

He's joining me to discuss climate, collapse, and the state, topics that he wrote about in a great essay that came out in November in these times called Climate Disaster is Here and the state will never save us, which will be talking about today.

Dean has been working to build

queer and trans liberation based in racial and economic justice for decades. You may know him from

his work in the early 2000s with the Sylvia Rivera Law Project from the two books that he's

written, both of which each of their own death panel episode. The first book is Normal Life,

administrative violence, critical trans politics, and the limits of the Law, which was published in 2011.

And his second book called Mutual Aid, Building Solidarity During This Crisis and The Next, was published in 2020.

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