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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power, and prejudices.

This year, 2024, is an election year in America, a presidential election year.

And so we will be doing two podcasts a week, rather than our usual one, because we want to and because we know you can't get enough Americano in your life. I am delighted to be joined by

Coleman Hughes, who has been on the Americano podcast before,

but is a rising star.

I think I'm allowed to say it's such a ridiculous statement.

But you are a rising star, Coleman.

You are a writer, a musician in your spare time, I believe.

And you have brought out this book, which is a big success.

It's called The End of Race Politics, Arguments for a Colorblind America. And, Coleman, one of the big

themes in your book is neo-racism, as you call it. And I'd like you to start, you're probably

bored of explaining this by now, but I'd like you to start by saying, what is neoracism, who are the neoracists, and are they aware of the fact that they are neo-racists?

So, neo-racism is a philosophy about how we should approach race and fighting racism.

It essentially says that whiteness is bad and anything but whiteness is morally superior.

So if you're white, you're meant to be ashamed of that fact. You're meant to reflect on it

with guilt and equate it with a kind of moral stain and ignorance about the world. And if you are

non-white, you equate that with the opposite, with a kind of inherent moral superiority and deep wisdom.

It also is a philosophy which advocates for racial discrimination against individuals

in order to balance the scales of history and allegedly rectify racial inequity, which is how it would explain

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