I have a dream speech, it gives me goosebumps to this day and I take that ethic very seriously,

and when I see it violated, it makes me angry and it makes me sad.

In the midst of a revolution, it's like there's a frenzy. When the fog clears,

you can see all the things that were done that were wrong, that were deeply wrong.

There was $4 billion of aid for farmers with debt, only if you were not white.

If you're a white restaurant owner or a white struggling farmer that loses their farm in the context

of a recession, you are never going to forgive that you were not treated on the basis of need,

but you were treated on the basis of race. Just like black people in America have not forgotten,

redlining Jim Crow. Where's this going? Well, I don't know, that depends a lot on

the actions and the bravery of millions of individuals, many of whom will be watching this video.

Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Trigonometry on the road from the USA.

I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissen. And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations

with fascinating people. Brilliant guest and returning to the show now in person for the first time.

He is the writer and musician and podcaster. Coleman, he's welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you for having me again. It's great to see you. We are actually by accident,

got a chance to hang out last night. We went to see a show at the Comedy Seller,

had a chance to channel a little bit, which is great because the last time we had you on the show,

it was some of 2020, it was the peak of the BLM, racial conversation that we had at the time.

And we got a load of your ideas and thoughts about the world. But one of the things we're

starting to find is people who talk about the stuff that you talk about and that we talk about it

and who are willing, like you, to actually be public about it and to speak out about it and

risk things. Usually there's like a reason or a set of reasons why they do this. It doesn't just

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