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Coinbase's Chief Policy Officer on Why He Believes the Clarity Act Will Pass

Unchained

Laura Shin

Business News, News, Tech News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Coinbase's chief policy officer explains why the bank lobby failed to kill stablecoin rewards — and what 'workable compromise' actually means for crypto users. ======================================================== Thank you to our sponsors! Adaptive Security: Test and strengthen your company’s defenses against AI deepfakes and synthetic identities at adaptivesecurity.com.  Coinbase One: Get 20% off the first year of your Coinbase One annual plan at coinbase.com/unchained. ======================================================== The Genius Act established that stablecoin issuers could pay rewards to users. The banks said no. For months, the American Bankers Association used the Clarity Act as a pressure point to reverse that decision — tying up a bill that was supposed to govern an entirely different corner of crypto. Now there's compromise language. Coinbase's chief policy officer, Faryar Shirzad, says it's workable. The banks say it doesn't go far enough. Meanwhile, the Clarity Act itself is racing toward a July 4th deadline, with a Senate Banking Committee markup expected the week of May 14. Ethics provisions around government officials holding crypto assets remain the hardest open question — and, as Shirzad puts it, one entirely above his pay grade. This is where the biggest crypto legislation in US history actually stands. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained Guests: Faryar Shirzad (@faryarshirzad) — Chief Policy Officer, Coinbase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, welcome to Unchained. You're no hype resource for all things crypto. I'm your host, Laura Shin.

0:06.0

Thanks for joining this live stream. Before we start the show, we'll hear a quick word from the sponsors who make this show possible.

0:12.0

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0:20.0

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0:28.3

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0:31.9

Today's guest is Fariar Shiarzad, Chief Policy Officer at Coinbase.

0:35.7

Welcome Fariar.

0:36.7

Hey, Laura. Thanks for having me on.

0:39.3

The fight between the banks and the crypto industry over stable coin yield in the Clarity Act is basically settled, I think.

0:49.3

The Clarity Act is supposed to be about everything but stable coins in a way, or at least for kind of centralized cryptoactivity.

0:57.6

But yeah, this is what's been holding it up.

1:00.5

And we do have new language which says, quote, no covered party shall directly or indirectly pay any form of interest on yield, whether in cash, tokens, or other consideration to a restricted recipient,

1:12.8

A, solely in connection with the holding of such restricted recipients' payment stable coins, or

1:17.1

B, on a payment stable coin balance in a manner that is economically or functionally equivalent

1:22.5

to the payment of interest or yield on an interest-bearing bank deposit.

1:27.0

So explain what that means and whether you feel that this language is a win for the banks

1:32.9

or the crypto industry.

1:36.7

Well, it's a really good question.

1:39.2

The language is complicated, but let me maybe just to simplify it, there was a few things that the bank said as the,

1:46.5

you know, kind of as the process wound through over the last few months. And their fundamental

1:51.5

argument was that stable coins were called deposit flight, largely because there's something

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