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Welcome to Coffee House Shots for Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

Will Arlene Foster and the DUP back Boris Johnson's Brexit deal? The Prime Minister is trying hard even today to persuade

them to do so they've said they've got no intention. But is there a case? In The Spectator

today, we say, come on, Arlene, it is time to actually back this deal,

and because of all the economic benefits it will bring to Northern Ireland.

Kate Hoey, from Counting Antrim, now a Labour MP for London Vauxhall,

is one of the prominent Brexiteers who made the case for leaving the EU.

She now says the Northern Ireland aspect of this deal is awful.

Eamon Butler, head of the free market Adam Smith Institute disagrees. They both join me now.

So, Kate, you campaigned a long time for Brexit, but do you find yourself unable to stomach

the concessions made here in Northern Ireland? Well, I think the first thing you have to say is that the Prime Minister has gone back on everything

he said about Northern Ireland over the last year.

He spoke at the DUP conference.

He made it very clear there would never be a border down in the Irish Sea.

Even in negotiations with Arlene in the last couple of weeks, he made it clear that the VAT issue, which was brought in right at the end, was absolutely not going to happen. And he was going to, you know, basically tell the EU where to go. And we've ended up now with a situation where, yes, economically, I'm sure other people will argue, you know, this is Northern Ireland having, could be said, to have the best of both worlds economically.

But in terms of the Good Friday Agreement, this is really a genuinely, a coach and horses through the whole consent principle.

And it's ending up with a customs situation where in theory Northern Ireland staying in the customs union,

but in practice, as all the legal interpretation, we've just had one through from our EU scrutiny committee, which is making

it very clear that if the question is whether Northern Ireland can really be said to be in

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