Coercive Control & Criminal Curiosity: The Cases of Sally Challen and the Barefoot Bandit, with Hannah and Patia from The Knife!

Moms and Mysteries: A True Crime Podcast

Not Your Mom Media

True Crime, Society & Culture

4.6 • 8.4K Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

This week we've teamed up with our true crime friends from The Knife, journalist-producers Hannah Smith and Patia Eaton, for a one-of-a-kind episode where we each brought a story to the table.

First, Melissa and Mandy tell the bizarre and unforgettable tale of Colton Harris-Moore, better known as the Barefoot Bandit. He was a lanky teen from a small island town who went on the run, stealing cars and planes while dodging authorities for years. His story captured the internet’s imagination, but behind the memes was a kid failed by the very systems meant to protect him.

Next, Hannah and Patia dive into the heartbreaking and impactful case of Sally Challen, a woman convicted of murdering her husband in 2010. What seemed at first like a shocking and senseless crime was eventually reexamined through a modern understanding of coercive control and domestic abuse. The result: a rare and powerful legal reversal years later.

This episode explores two lives shaped by control, survival, and the long shadow of trauma. It’s a compelling look at how the ripple effects of crime stretch far beyond the headlines.

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0:00.0	Do you want to sneak past the crime scene tape to explore the key evidence behind some of the most gripping true crime cases?
0:07.1	I'm Morgan Apscher.
0:08.0	And I'm Kaelin Moore.
0:09.0	And we'd love for you to check out our new show, Clues.
0:11.8	Each Wednesday, I piece together the timelines and break down the hard facts, digging into forensic details, investigative techniques, and everything that led to justice or didn't.
0:21.3	And while Kalyn dives into the facts, I'm pulling at the threads, digging through the
0:24.7	internet theories and looking at the details that may or may not add up.
0:28.9	From serial killers to shocking cold cases, we shine a light on the stories that have
0:33.7	been waiting, sometimes for decades, to finally be heard.
0:37.0	So join us as we uncover the breakthroughs, the heartbreak, and the relentless pursuit of answers
0:41.7	behind the world's most unforgettable investigations.
0:45.0	Come open a case file with us every Wednesday and listen to Clues, wherever you get your podcasts. Do you want to sneak past the crime scene tape to explore the key evidence behind some of the most gripping true crime cases?
1:05.2	I'm Morgan Apshur. And I'm Kailen Moore. And we'd love for you to check out our new show, Clues.
1:09.8	Each Wednesday, I piece together the
1:11.5	timelines and break down the hard facts, digging into forensic details, investigative techniques,
1:16.2	and everything that led to justice or didn't. And while Kaelin dives into the facts, I'm pulling
1:21.3	at the threads, digging through the internet theories and looking at the details that may,
1:25.6	or may not, add up. From serial killers to shocking cold cases, we shine a light on the stories that have
1:31.8	been waiting, sometimes for decades, to finally be heard.
1:35.0	So join us as we uncover the breakthroughs, the heartbreak, and the relentless pursuit
1:39.3	of answers behind the world's most unforgettable investigations.
1:43.1	Come open a case file with us every Wednesday and listen to Clues,
	...

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