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Surviving the Survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Hello and welcome to Surviving the Survivor.

I am clearly not Joel, and and apologies all hell has broken loose in the first 20 seconds I have two dogs going wild

Just for the record during Joel's show I keep the kids quiet the dogs quiet

We're gonna win you of everything chief of everything right and when you're not there thank you for being here

and if you're just joining us everyone, please remember to hit the like button.

He agrees.

He does. He's saying hi to everyone. And we have two amazing guests on the show. They are somewhat new friends, although we were just talking about how we met at CrimeCon all of us, and we have a few connections.

So we'll explain it in a minute, but first I do want to introduce Lauren from Hidden True Crime.

Many of you already know her. She is also a journalist so we all have that

connection as well. And then for the second time now I have G.G. from

Pretty Lies and Alibis and many of you already know her as well.

She is also a journalist.

And again, this is her second time coming on with me,

so thank you so much, Gee, for putting up with all of our shenanigans here.

Hey, I like shenanigans, come on.

All right, great.

Let's start with you, Lauren, just in case anyone is watching and they're not familiar with you or your show,

can you give us like a one or two minute

synopsis about what you do, who you are? Absolutely. Yes, thanks for having me.

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