This is off the looking glass. I'm Kate Vagan. I'm Jessica's Matana.

Kate, we're in person right now for the first time.

Yes, listeners don't know this, but if you feel like there's an extra special spark and chemistry

in this top of show, it is because we're sitting in the same room.

Yeah, for the first time since we started doing the show because you live in South Carolina. I live in Florida.

Seems like they're close. They're not still the plane right away. Yes, that's true. So

Kate, you've been a reporter for a long time. I think so, yeah. You have. And you've, I'm sure, talked to a number of coaches and people who go by the name coach. Which, by the the way I still use for people that coached me.

That was going to be my question.

Well that, that was sort of going to be my question.

So my first thing that I wanted to tell you because,

spoiler alert, we have M muffet McGraw on this episode

the muffet McGraw the muffet McGraw as opposed to the other muffet McGraw in the world the only

muffet that I know I intervieweduffet McGraw for Sports Illustrated about a year ago,

made a little bit longer. And I called her coach the entire time because I worked for the Notre Dame athletic department when I was a student and to me

she was always coach McGraw. And there's always been this like kind of jokey social media thing of people making fun of

NFL coaches and college football coaches because they demand to be called

coach outside of the you know their players sometimes which feels very

silly for the coach to make you call them coach.

Muffit didn't do this she wasn't like you have to call me coach I have a PhD

call me doctor exactly Dr. Exactly.

I just felt like I had to call her coach.

So I'm wondering as a reporter or just like as a former player,

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