These are just anecdotes, but it's building up into something more coherent.

I think it'd be interesting to really try to unravel what his ties.

There's a sort of country city divide for their inconvenient, and it's not clear where it goes next.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production

of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

Today we'll talk about the Hollywood career of the White House strategist that you've been hearing

about for a long time, Steve Bannon, and the White House career of the White House strategist that you've been hearing about for a long time, Steve Bannon,

and the White House career of the reality TV star who you've been hearing about even longer, Donald Trump.

Then if you're very good, we'll let you stay for a visit to the New York Street,

the stage set where Seinfeld and so many other shows have been filmed.

So we'll begin with Jeff Zucker, who's the president of CNN.

When Zucker came to the network in 2013, it was totally adrift with primetime viewing at its

lowest in two decades. The savior of the network was Donald Trump.

Despite purveying nothing but fake news in the assessment of our now president,

CNN this spring had its best rating in 14 years.

And the strange irony in all of this is that CNN's Jeff Zucker helped to make Donald Trump. Sooker was formerly at NBC for 25 years,

eventually becoming its CEO, and while he was there, he was the one who greenlit the apprentice.

Jeff, you've known Donald Trump for about 15 years, and certainly as a TV presence. You had a large hand in making him. What did you

have in mind? So 15 years ago, we were pitched a program by Mark Burnett, who had developed

Survivor for CBS. And his idea was to pitch Survivor in a different jungle. And that jungle was the boardroom.

And I was at NBC Entertainment at the time, and we were in desperate need of a reality hit program.

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