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I just said, why not go on a FaceTime date?

I could hear Dr. Cloud in my head be like, it's just a FaceTime, Kate.

What is a FaceTime date?

You know, like 16 minutes.

Yeah.

What is that?

Again, this is like, please educate me.

Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. So glad you have tuned in where you're watching, where you're listening today. Hey, today we're going to talk about something that I know nothing about, which is dating. I have not dated. Well, you'll find out for a long time. And I'm like, you know what? You know what we do, leaders? We talk about it all the time, right? It's like, I got a series on relationships coming up. We're going to talk about the gift of singleness. We'll find out why that's not a good idea. And I've got two people I thought who could speak into this. Kate and JJ Tomlin are here. They have been through a long history of dating themselves. They lead a powerful ministry

called The Heart of Dating, have a top-rated podcast, best-selling author, all of that. And my goodness,

do we go deep. So get out your notebook. Enjoy it. Here's my conversation with JJ and Kate Tomlin.

JJ, Kate, it's so good to have you. You're welcome. Thanks for having us, Carrie. We're so honored, man. Oh, well, listen, I mean, we've been hanging out, and I'm like, I got to have them on the podcast. It's one of those things. Because, and you guys know this, but like, my thing is, you know, I've taught dating in relationship series, and literally, I haven't dated since before. I'm going to say before you guys were born. Oh my gosh. I'm not going to date you or make you say this, but like I dated in last time, and you know Tony, we just, we had coffee this morning, right? The four of us. 1988 was the last time I went on a date. Oh was born in 89, so it was, oh gosh.

In 95.

95, the baby.

Yes.

This is the thing, right?

And you guys aren't kids, you're adults.

And so then, you know, a guy my age, or even 40, who's been married for 15 years comes

out.

And he's like, all right, we're doing our relationship series. I just have no idea. And so I thought I'm going to sit down with JJ and Kate. And you can educate all of us on what we don't understand. Well, it doesn't have to be in February and it doesn't have to be summer 11. So we can just go and help them out off the get-go. Yeah, the one series a year. You're calling us out on the one series a year. That's in February or summer-loven? It's summer-loven or February. Always. Just ask, every pastor is laughing right now because they know. Yep, yep, that is when we do our love series.

Yeah, we're a better on her mom on Mother's Day. That's so funny. Father is, it's like grab a burger. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, no, this is interesting. So you guys have been married three years. Is that right? Yeah, we're still newlyweds, really. But it means I was single a lot longer than I've been married, so I still understand that world, maybe even better.

And. woods, really. But it means I was single a lot longer than I've been married, so I still

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