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That mindset, I think that it's proof texting, using scripture to protect power and to make sure all the power sits right here.

Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast.

Hey, I'm so glad you joined us today for all of you who are new to listening. We're really glad you're here. Today on the show, we have got Beth Moore. We talk about how do you know when it's time to leave? She left the denomination 10 years ago. We talk about what's really going on around the issue of women in leadership. While there are different views,

some people just like the proof text to keep the pulpit and power. She talks about that.

We also talk about why so many people, and especially women, are leaving the church, and a whole

lot more here on the podcast. Really glad that you've joined us. We got a lot to talk about. Beth Moore is an

author. She is a speaker. She is a Bible teacher whose conferences has attracted millions around

the world. She has written numerous books. We talk in particular about her memoir, which is

extremely well written. It's called All My Knotted Up Life. And now, without

further ado, my conversation with Beth Moore. Well, Beth, I've been looking forward to this

conversation for a long time. Thanks for coming on. I am so pleased to be here, Carrie. Thank you for

having me. So I love what you say. I think it's on the back cover of your book, All My Knotted Up Life, but

it's like familiar to many but known by few. I thought, that is a really good description

of just pretty much everybody who's listening to this podcast because they're church leaders,

they have a platform. That is a phenomenon I find really interesting. How is that shown up in your life and ministry,

you know, familiar to many, known by few? I think that for a lot of us who have been out there

a while, so think in terms of perhaps my peer age or even 10 years younger than me, but out there long enough to learn

some things the hard way. And some of those things are that you say too much and then wish you could

back up and retract some of it. And so you learn along the way. And then the tendency is to swing the other

direction, Gary. And I bet you can relate to this where, okay, I learned my lesson saying too much,

now I'm going to air on the other side and I'm going to keep my cards really, really close.

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