CNLP 741 | How To Know When You've Crossed A Moral Line: Max Lucado on Church Leadership, Moral Failure, and How to Tame Your Thoughts
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 15 July 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
Max Lucado talks about his new role at Gateway Church, how to carry the trauma and disappointment of a congregation after the senior pastor has breached trust, how to know if and when you've crossed a moral line that requires resignation, and how to tame your thought life.
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| 0:02.7 | And I caught myself going to a convenience store across town so no one would see me and buying a beer and sitting out in my car to take the edge off. |
| 0:15.6 | And that's when I felt convicted by the spirit. What are you doing? What are you doing? Are you going to go down that |
| 0:23.2 | path again? I hadn't had any struggle with alcohol in what 25 years. That's probably 50 at the time |
| 0:30.4 | 30 years. And so I had to deal with that. And so I've made a lot of bad mistakes. I think the good choice I made that |
| 0:39.7 | particular time was to call my elders and to have a meeting with them and come clean. |
| 0:51.4 | Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. It's Carrie here, and I hope our time taking |
| 0:55.1 | through today helps you thrive in life and leadership. I'm so glad you joined us, wherever you find |
| 0:58.8 | yourself. Hopefully it's a beautiful day where you are. I'm having a great day and really appreciate |
| 1:04.5 | you. July's my favorite month. We're doing all kinds of stuff on my bike, out on the boat. |
| 1:10.2 | That's, yeah, hands down my favorite one. |
| 1:12.4 | So really glad you joined us today. |
| 1:14.2 | Hey, we are going to talk with Max Lucado. |
| 1:17.4 | And we've had a lot of very personal conversations this year on the podcast. |
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