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We've told generations of kids, come up with your own values, come up with your own truth.

And A, unless your name is Aristotle, you probably can't do it.

But B, you don't have the, you don't live within a moral order.

And a colonist named Walter Libman saw this coming as early as 1955.

We read a book called The Public Philosophy.

And he wrote that if what is right and wrong is just what each individual gets to decide based on his or her own feelings,

we have left the realm of civilization.

And I think we've left that realm.

We're all sort of in a moral universe of civilization. And I think we've left that realm. We're all sort of in a moral universe of one.

Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership podcast. It's Kerry here. I hope our time together today

helps you thrive in life and leadership. Man, I want to welcome all of you who are brand new to the

podcast. Welcome. We're so glad that you're here.

And man, today we're sitting down with someone that I've read for years. His name's David Brooks.

You probably know him from the New York Times or the Atlantic. A great friend of Tim Keller.

Actually, Tim was very instrumental in his conversion to Christianity about a decade and a half ago.

And David thinks better than almost anybody on issues of church, culture, and, well, we got some inside scoop

on being pastored by Tim Keller and a whole lot more. So really interesting conversation. Hey, we had

a few tech challenges for the first five minutes. I think we were able to edit most of that through, but the interview kind of sinks up a lot better five minutes in.

So just a heads up on that. And to those of you who are new, hey, welcome. If you haven't hit the

follow button, yeah, wherever you're listening to this or watching this, please do so.

And we got show notes for you. It's really cool. We've had millions of listeners to this

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