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STATE OF THE CHURCH

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0:00.0	Well, welcome to the podcast. We're going to get to today's interview in just a moment.
0:03.3	But one of my favorite segments this year has been the State of the Church update.
0:06.5	We do one of these a month.
0:08.1	And David Kinnaman is here with me.
0:10.0	He is the CEO of the Barna group.
0:11.9	And David has been doing with the Barna team a lot of research this year.
0:15.5	There's fresh data every single month to profile the state of the church.
0:19.4	And today, we're going to look at how pastors
0:21.6	are doing. This is a story that you and I have tracked for years, David. Pastors obviously took a
0:27.3	huge hit during COVID. Are they flourishing? For a while, we weren't. But you have some new metrics
0:32.3	that I'd love you to walk us through. And it's not bad news, actually. It's encouraging.
0:37.4	It is encouraging. Yeah.
0:38.5	And we have seen some hard days for pastors as we've been hearing from them and talking to them,
0:43.2	especially over the last four or five years, you know, the low point that we saw after COVID.
0:49.4	But we're here with some new metrics on flourishing. And what we're proud to report is the pastors
0:54.0	are actually doing pretty well overall.
0:56.9	We look at some of the different ways that they're experiencing relationships and health
1:02.5	and financial and vocational and faith flourishing.
1:06.2	And overall, the two areas where they seem to be doing as well or better than the national average is in terms of faith, not surprisingly.
1:14.3	Hopefully, hopefully we are spiritually relatively healthy.
1:17.6	That's right. At least they're telling us so.
1:19.7	And then finances, which is a surprise because most pastors, the average income for a senior pastor is around 76,000, almost 77,000, just under 77,000.
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