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Like a lot of guys, I hit the wall.

And the only way I know to explain it, the only language I have

to understand is it just stopped working. I found in me a low-grade agitation so if if like if

if like sending against people with verbal lashing and what's you know I don't know if it's abuse or

it isn't eight I was like always humming at about a six and I could feel it was

happening and I it scared me and I didn't understand it wasn't

tied to how well the church was doing it wasn't tied to how much sex I was having it wasn't

tied to how much money I had like Like I couldn't, I kept trying to,

like where is this coming from?

Then I couldn't find it.

And about that time I was sitting in this meeting with the guy at the church who was, I mean, he was, I don't know that I've ever seen a man melt like this.

It's tears and snot. He was going through a really painful ordeal, and I caught myself

not being in the room with him at all. I was feeling nothing. In fact, in my head head I was running through our processes to

figure out who to hand this man too. Like do I send him to Jason and recovery? Do I

got to get him over here to Trevor in groups? Like how do I get him or someone can help him?

And I caught myself in the here and I hope our time

together today helps you thrive in life and leadership. Hey we've got

Matt Chandler on the podcast this is the very first time he's appeared

I've been meaning to do it. It's one of those things where it's just like yeah I guess I haven't done that yet

Well now we've done it and we go all over the place. He talks about lessons from his leave of

absence after the Instagram incident if you know what I'm talking about you know what

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