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I love my Reform Brothers and Sisters, mostly Reform Brothers, that's a little bit of a dig

at them, but they, you know, I've had them say, like, you know, we've had conversations around invite culture and these are

private conversations they're definitely having me into their church to talk

about these things they're not telling other people that I'm there and you know

church leaders will say they'll be like man if I if other church guys in my network were to hear

we were talking about this stuff they would shake their head because like we don't

want anything to do with attractional and I would say listen you are

attractional you don't think you are, but you are.

Like, you're in a building, you have a sign outside your door, you talk about, you have actual music,

you vacuum your carpets on Sunday morning those are all

attractional church things you're those are all gimmicks if someone else's

gimmick would know why do you have to clean your church why do you have to paint it

why do you have to have lights in a band? That's all gimmicky.

No, you chose to do those things because you know people will tell their friends about them.

Now, you might not want to do monster truck that's fine I get that I totally

understand you don't want to drop eggs out of a out of a helicopter I get that but

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