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We keep referring back to our mutual friend, but one particular phone call I had with Craig

is I called Craig. I was probably six months in.

And you know, it's good to have guys you could be vulnerable with right and and I just said

Craig man I don't I was in tears I go I don't know what I'm doing I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm like

sitting there with my phone ready to type.

Okay here's the first thing you need to do. Here's six steps towards achievement.

Here's what you need to do. Here's the first five things you need to do.

And Craig said one of the most healing things that

anybody has ever said to be he said John neither do I. Welcome to the Carrie New Hop Leadership Podcast, it's Carrie here and I hope our time

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