The Art of Leadership Network Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff leadership podcast.

It's Carrie here, and I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership.

Well, you know that employee, the one who gets under your skin, or maybe it's somebody

in your family, or maybe it's somebody in your church or in your company or customer

or a client you've got, how do you work with them?

Because you can't just like delete people from your life all the time.

Well, I'm talking to Michael Bungay-Stanier on that, MBS, as he's often known, and we

talk about how to work with almost anyone, unusual habits that help you thrive, and how

to ignore the hype cycle to focus on what really matters in relationships.

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Well, I'm so excited to have Michael Bungay-Stanier back.

We had a lot of mutual friends, and it was one of those things where we just, we had

to meet.

And last time I interviewed him, you guys loved that, and he has sold over a million copies

of his book, Self-Published Book, The Coaching Habit.

It's the best-selling coaching book of the 21st century, recognized as a classic.

He's got a brand new book, and we talk about the concept of how to work with almost anyone.

There's brackets around that, almost anybody.

You can't work with absolutely everybody, but almost anybody.

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