We are Diving into some really cool conversations this summer on the podcast.

I got Rich Velotis on this episode, more on that in a minute.

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Well I invited Rich Velotis back to the podcast and we talk about a bunch of stuff.

The three waves of people who are leaving the church right now, why pastors keep failing?

Like this is a subject I'm going to come back to again and again because I'm aghast at

the level of just collapse that seems to be happening to the church.

What Gen Z and boomers want from a church and why they don't actually match, the next

generation of pastors and we're even going to talk about stress.

So Rich is the Brooklyn-born lead pastor of new life fellowship, a large multiracial

church with more than 75 countries represented in Elmhurst Queens, Rich Holds and Masters

of Divinity from Alliance Seminary.

He's written a few books, his first book called The Deeply Formed Life, kind of exploded

onto the scene and his latest is good, beautiful and kind.

So I think you're going to really enjoy this.

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