The Art of Leadership Network Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast.

It's Carrie here, and I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership.

I've been very excited to share this episode with you.

Today's guest is none other than Malcolm Gladwell, really, really thrilled that you're here

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Well Malcolm Gladwell and I go all over the place in this interview and it's a really personal

conversation.

It's the first time I've met him or had a conversation with him, but we reached out

and he said, yeah, yeah, sure, I'd love to be on and he was really gracious.

So we're going to talk about his personal faith journey.

The intersection of church and politics, there's a really fascinating section where one

of his early articles in his career was comparing Jerry Falwell and Chuck Coulson and we talk

about that in their approach in the intersection of church and state.

I ask him about his habits, his writing process, how he fuels his curiosity and why he loves

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