Welcome to the Carey New Hof Leadership Podcast, a podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carey New Hof.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 424 of the podcast.

It's Carey here and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

Wherever you happen to find yourself today, whether you are in the car, whether you are, I don't know, working out in the kitchen.

Wherever you find yourself, welcome.

Really glad you've chosen to be with us today.

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Really excited to have Rich Sterns on the podcast.

This was a fascinating interview.

We talked all about failure in leadership, the value of persistence and what for profits and not for profits can learn from each other.

I did an Instagram poll recently and we just asked a real simple question.

How many of you have thought about quitting in the last year?

So you know, Barnard did like a proper study, 29% of senior pastors thought they seriously thought about leaving.

And on my little Instagram poll, 77% of you thought about quitting in the last year.

And a whole bunch of you messaged me and said, yep, I did too.

I think conversations like this, the recent episode with Christine Kane are really going to encourage you.

And I would just encourage you to hang in there, hang in their life, hang in there in leadership, hang in there in your faith.

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